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Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine Part 2
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:37 pm
by ianw
Hi Howard, no, the chassis I had was built by George O'Dell. A copy of the Renwick but with 13" wheels.
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine Part 2
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:22 pm
by ronno
ianw wrote:Hi Howard, no, the chassis I had was built by George O'Dell. A copy of the Renwick but with 13" wheels.
The one in this link , Ian
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=55826&p=343966&hil ... ll#p343966
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine Part 2
Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:00 am
by oldbelly
Malcolm only used the Schmidt in 78.
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine Part 2
Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:39 pm
by adam10185
Done a bit of digging around and it would seem Dick Greasley rode a Windle in 76 and 77 with Schauzu on a Busch in 76. Could anyone confirm if this is correct?
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine Part 2
Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:40 pm
by Big Tim
Schauzu rode the Fath Aro (a 500cc 2-stroke) to fourth in the 1976 500cc Sidecar TT; and a Busch BMW to second in the 1976 1000cc Sidecar TT.
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine Part 2
Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:57 pm
by ianw
Dick had a Windle The same time as George O'Dell, that would be 1976-1977.
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine Part 2
Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:51 pm
by adam10185
Just these left to find.
Updated 03/01/2018, those left to find in red
1000cc class
1986 Dave Hallam/John Gibbard - Windle Yamaha
1982 Steve Abbott/Shaun Smith - Windle Yamaha
1979 Dave Saville/Hugh Sanderson - Yamaha
1979 Rolf Steinhausen/Kenny Arthur - MSA1
1978 Rolf Biland/Ken Williams - Beo Yamaha
1978 Graham Milton/John Brushwood – British Magnum
1977 Mac Hobson/Stuart Collins – Windle Yamaha
1976 Rolf Steinhausen/Joseph Huber - Busch Konig
1975 Siegfried Schauzu/Wolfgang Kalauch – Busch BMW
1975 Mac Hobson/Gordon Russell - Windle Yamaha
1975 Gerry Boret/Nick Boret – Renwick Konig
F2 Class
1990 Dave Saville/Nick Roche - Yamaha
1989 Dennis Keen/Rob Parker - Yamaha
1989 Dave Saville/Richard Crossley - Yamaha
1988 Dennis Keen/Rob Parker – Yamaha
1988 Dave Saville/Dave Hall - Yamaha
1987 Dave Saville/Dave Hall - Yamaha
1987 John Hartell/Nick Roche – (Hopper or Shelbourne) Armstrong
1984 Cliff Pritchard/Kevin Morgan – Yamaha
1984 Dave Saville/Dave Hall - Yamaha
1984 Brian Latham/Kathy Latham - Yamaha
So close to getting this finished now, thanks for everyone's help so far.
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine Part 2
Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:11 am
by ronno
Just to confirm what I was waffling on about , this is from the October 1975 Brands meeting with Derek and Peter shortly to remove this Yamaha engine for Gerry and Nick to take with them over the winter for the BRS build..so the 1975 Boret outfit shows it was still a Renwick, with George and Alan presumably on the 'Renwick copy' . Until the summer of 1975 Derek's outfit had Weslake power , until the ex Ron Chandler Yamaha engine was fitted.Malcolm can confirm , was passengering with the Weslake.
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine Part 2
Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:34 pm
by ianw
Hi Terry, that pic is of George on the Renwick Konig not the "copy".
George never ran a Yamaha in the Renwick, only in the copy.
The Boret's are also on a Renwick Konig but with the "rounded" edge fairing which they developed, where as George is on the Renwick with the "square" edge fairing. I think I'm right in saying that??
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine Part 2
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:41 pm
by Steve-morgan
1984 f2, spoke to cliff today. The chassis was a one off, built by a university lecturer and his students somewhere down south.
It had a single sided swing arm and also single shock on the front.
It was sold to a passenger at the time either end of 84 or early 85
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine Part 2
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:19 pm
by mervnoble
adam10185 wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:51 pm
Just these left to find.
1000cc class
1986 Dave Hallam/John Gibbard - Yamaha
1982 Steve Abbott/Shaun Smith - Yamaha
1979 Dave Saville/Hugh Sanderson - Yamaha
1979 Rolf Steinhausen/Kenny Arthur - MSA1
1978 Rolf Biland/Ken Williams - Yamaha
1978 Graham Milton/John Brushwood – Milton Magnum (i assume from the post above this was a Milton chassis and Magnum engine?)
1977 Mac Hobson/Stuart Collins – Yamaha (Seems to be some debate on this one, possibly a Schmidt?)
1976 Rolf Steinhausen/Joseph Huber - Konig
1975 Siegfried Schauzu/Wolfgang Kalauch – BMW (Possibly Busch chassis)
1975 Mac Hobson/Gordon Russell - Yamaha
1975 Gerry Boret/Nick Boret – Konig (TBC, see above post, either BRS or Renwick)
F2 Class
1990 Dave Saville/Nick Roche - Yamaha
1989 Dennis Keen/Rob Parker - Yamaha
1989 Dave Saville/Richard Crossley - Yamaha
1988 Dennis Keen/Rob Parker – Yamaha
1988 Dave Saville/Dave Hall - Yamaha
1987 Dave Saville/Dave Hall - Yamaha
1987 John Hartell/Nick Roche – (Hopper or Shelbourne) Armstrong
1984 Cliff Pritchard/Kevin Morgan – Yamaha
1984 Dave Saville/Dave Hall - Yamaha
1984 Brian Latham/Kathy Latham - Yamaha
So close to getting this finished now, thanks for everyone's help so far.
I would stand corrected but I think Dave Saville only ever rode Shelbourne bikes with Yamaha engines in this period.
Messrs Abbott and Smith had Windle Yamahas
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine Part 2
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:34 pm
by petercaughlin
In 1975 the Borets rode John Renwicks Konig,A friend of mine Ted Pratt who ran Pratts Vintage Motorcycles in Greenwich gave John some financial support and in return had a large Pratts sticker on the fairing
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine Part 2
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:11 pm
by tonybsa2008
1979, Dave Saville may have been a tin Windle?
1986 Dave Hallam,Windle Yam(we have the btm half of this engine).
1978 Biland was using the BEO(lots of pics floating about).
1975,and 1977,Mac Hobson Windle HamYam.
1976 Rolf Steinhuasen,Busch Konig(think he still has this bike?).
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine Part 2
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:02 pm
by Big Tim
I cannot provide the years, but Dave Saville definitely rode a Windle chassis in at least one TT in the late 1980's, although later he certainly had a Shelbourne (I'm sure in 1990, the first year of being a purely "F2" class he used a Shelbourne chassis). The Windle was sold to John Scarth (from Leyburn, whose passenger was future TT winner Peter Hill), then at the end of 1991 to Steve Langham. (This outfit had a "longer" swinging arm to use at the TT - a number of front-running current competitors have been doing similar over the last couple of years).
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine Part 2
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:58 am
by RP
"1978 Graham Milton/John Brushwood – Milton Magnum (i assume from the post above this was a Milton chassis and Magnum engine?)"
The proper title for the machine was British Magnum. The engines, gearboxes and chassis were all constructed from scratch by messrs. Milton, Wakefield and Williamson. I personally sponsored them in the seventies with transit vans. Entrant was Paul Taylor (BJE) Ltd of Peterborough.