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was that sarcasm? I don't know I have an IR gun on me on every job ( again it's work ) and won't leave the workshop without it.
I'm guessing that was sarcasm


buggerr.....

steve i am going to try your idea
dont know anything about sarcasam

sorry mate, am in the gamesroom at the mo with mand, bill, caz nicky p stevea etc and we thrive on sarcasm and just general libel thankfully not logged

dont care anyway
just being civil
see ya later mate

have you tried a battery straight to the starter(without the solenoid etc....)that way there is no voltage drop to anything else and then you can see what its doing by its self....i would try a set of jump leads to ya car/van battery without it running that is......

yes mate tried all that it just needs about 20 rpm more and itl start, aparently the cdi is set to 250rpm start threshhold,sounds stupid but if i could make the starter a 6v unit it will cure it.

You could try and make the battery leads as short as possible and use leads with lots of strands in the cable. that will eliminate volt drop.

tried that toby tonight still the same.my monkey spoke to an electrical place today and they said they could make my starter 9volt to speed it up
maybe thats one for steve to explain as im not sure how they do that,but its £150 quid
cheers toby anyway.

cheers tufty for the chat at donno.did you sort your problem out?
anyway did what you said about the starter and stripped it,found it was clean(almost new like)brushes ok not burned in any way,comutator as new aswell.anyway swapped it for another one i got today..................still the very same
i also took the cover offand checked the thrust washers, there isnt any.i checked the manual and there isnt,my theory now is that the starter is ok but the cdi is maybee at fault,although i have tried another cdi.
24v starting is looking very appealing

Rather than using a motorcycle battery have you tried a car battery instead? Might be the fact the battery is not a high enough amp/hour rating.

yes karl and a battery pack.and for good measure hooked it up to my 4.0l bmw
its making me pull me hair out now !!!!!!!!!and im feeling stupid

anybody in or around derby.free cups of tea an all

i will be passing through derby tomorrow i could call in after i finish work

got a jar of coffee,HOW MUCH ill never complain about a gallon of petrol again kettle on.enough said

what engine is it
Have you got a gasket fitted to the starter clutch side {Depending what engine}as that is the tolerance it requires to stop it tightening on the shaft for the starter gear !!!
because if youve put a battery straight on the starter motor and it wont turn over fast enough it could be an engine fault

FOUND IT LOOKED AT THE WIRING DIAGRAM AND SAW A WIRE FROM THE STAND GOING THROUGH A JUNCTION BOX THROUGH TO CDI. I PROBED ALL THE CONNECTIONS ON THE CDI AND FOUND A 4V FEED I SHORTED TO EARTH FIRST NO JOY THEN GAVE IT A 12V FEED STARTS ON 12V.CANT UNDERSTAND IT THOUGH AS EVEN ON THE STD BIKE HAVING THE STAND DOWN DOESENT STOP THE ENGINE STARTING
ANYWAY A BIG THANKYOU TO ALL WHO POSTED AND A SPECIAL THANKYOU TO GATEKEEPER FOR GIVING THE TIME AND DRINKING MY COFFEE LIKE ITS GOING OUT OF FASHION. TRIED TO RING BUT NO ANSWER. LOOKS LIKE MALLORY TESTING ON WED THEN.HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE